Saengduean Chailert
The elephant's eyes changed everything
A girl who witnessed cruelty chose to spend her life speaking for those who cannot speak for themselves.
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Saengduean Chailert
A girl who witnessed cruelty chose to spend her life speaking for those who cannot speak for themselves.
Hear this story
Saengduean Chailert grew up in a hill tribe community in Thailand where girls were expected to stay home and tend the farm. Her mother broke with tradition to send her to school, and Saengduean ran 14 kilometres each day to reach the temple school, working as a dishwasher and pig keeper to earn her place. She became the first woman from her village to graduate from college. She promised her mother she would work for the government to bring honour to their family. Then, at 16, everything changed.
In the logging camps, Saengduean witnessed a bull elephant being beaten and abused. She watched his eyes as he screamed, and she heard in that sound a being who could not speak for himself. She saw his confusion, his hopelessness, his rage. That moment broke something open in her. She left school and began working multiple jobs to buy medicine for the injured elephant, only to discover the wounds were far worse than any treatment could heal. But she could not turn away. The more suffering she witnessed, the more she understood that her duty was not to speak for people, but for those with no voice at all.
Saengduean built a sanctuary not because she planned to, but because each rescued elephant needed a friend. Today she cares for elephants and other animals on land gifted by a stranger from Texas. She sings laabi, traditional songs, to calm distressed elephants and help them trust again. She has faced threats to her life for speaking against the industries that profit from animal suffering. Yet she chose to keep speaking. Her message to travellers is simple: always ask where the mother is. Refuse to support the separation of baby elephants from their mothers. The market for cruelty exists only if people buy tickets to it.
“The elephant can't speak. They need someone to speak for them. And that moment, my life changed.”
“When he looked at me, his eye expressed everything, expressed angry, hopeless. He expressed very confusion and frustrated. And that thing is follow me like a shadow.”
“One day I have a man from Texas walk to me. 'Lek, do you need land?' And I hardly believe what I hear. It mean like during the dark time, someone give me a candle.”
The hero, today
Saengduean's grandfather taught her that true happiness comes from relieving another being's pain, not from money or recognition, and this shaped everything she chose to do with her life. When Saengduean saw the elephant's eyes in the jungle and felt he could not speak for himself, she broke her promise to her mother to work for the government and chose instead to speak for animals who have no voice. The more Saengduean witnessed animal suffering, the more she realised she could not let fear or threats poison her work; she had to choose between staying silent to save her own life or speaking to save theirs. Saengduean built a sanctuary not because she planned to but because each rescued elephant needed a friend, and each friend needed another, and the dream simply grew from one act of help to the next. Saengduean asks travelers to ask one question every time: where is the mother, because refusing to buy tickets to ride or hug separated baby elephants is the market force that will end the industry.
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Saengduean's grandfather taught her that true happiness comes from relieving another being's pain, not from money or recognition, and this shaped everything she chose to do with her life.
When Saengduean saw the elephant's eyes in the jungle and felt he could not speak for himself, she broke her promise to her mother to work for the government and chose instead to speak for animals who have no voice.
The more Saengduean witnessed animal suffering, the more she realised she could not let fear or threats poison her work; she had to choose between staying silent to save her own life or speaking to save theirs.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 00:00
Welcome to another episode of Animals and Us, where we explore and honor the awesomeness of animals and our relationships with them. Lek, welcome to Animals and Us.
Guest · 00:22
Thank you, thank you.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 00:24
It is such a great honor to have you with us, and I know that straight after this interview you'll be driving out to save and rescue another elephant. So I really respect your time and thank you for it. Let's start with what you remember about your first experiences with Tongkam, the elephant, and how did it make you feel as a little girl?
Guest · 00:51
Yeah, when I was young, this is when I first saw a giant animal in front of us, and then I thought, this is so scary animal. And after that, after we getting to know her, and we just feel that this is— I feel a lot of connection from her warm heart, her beautiful, you know, her beautiful behavior, gentle, which is make us more relaxed. And it's surprise, you know, that is when I— this is big animal that can cause a lot of angry or a lot of issue, but somehow I feel and connect her with the beauty, beautiful emotional and feeling that her gentleness around us that is warm, warm my heart.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 01:45
Your grandfather was a shaman who cared for injured animals. What are some of the important lessons you learned from him and from living so close to nature?
Guest · 01:55
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Saengduean built a sanctuary not because she planned to but because each rescued elephant needed a friend, and each friend needed another, and the dream simply grew from one act of help to the next.
This conversation includes the giant animal that scared her, her grandfather's second chances, the first woman to leave, running 14 kilometres to school, the screaming in the jungle and medicine that runs out in two days.
Yeah, my grandfather is really my best teacher. So the way that he look after the wild animal, and that's what I learned from him, is the opportunity and the chance to giving the second chance to the other life. My grandfather always wake up early morning to collect the herb from the forest. And somehow when he start, he's early. Morning he found many sick animal and he brought them home and to heal them. And after they strong and get better, he released them into the jungle. Never kept one of the wild animal at home because he said the wild animal not belong to human. And this is a lot of thing I learned from him and to give the chance for this animal to carry on to live. And that really taught me a lot from that. And that's why I never give up on animals when they're sick or when they need help.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 03:02
You came from a community where, as you've said, women were born to be mothers and work on the farm. So how difficult was it for you to get an education as a young girl, and what motivated you?
Guest · 03:14
Yeah, you know that I come from, I came from Kamut tribe. Which is the woman have a lot of difficult and limit of movement. Some part of, even until today, some part of the area that woman not allow, like a temple. And at that time is the woman doesn't have much voice. And my mother, it's bit a long vision of my mother because it's her family, her sister and her cousin. The woman doesn't have education. So one day when I sit down with my mother and I saw the aeroplane and I told to my mother, "I really want to see what is inside there and I wonder why the steel, why the iron can fly." And that is, I talk to my mother and that is my mother thinking she want me to come and find out about that. And as well, for the Khmer tribe, we have a strong belief with the animist. So people believe, worship for nature with something superstitious. So the woman hardly move out of the house after the sunset. Everyone have to remain at the home. We cannot walk out of the gate. A lot of things that this woman have limit of the freedom. So my mother is ask me to promise her a lot of things because she get a lot of pressure to allow me to come to education, pressure from inside family and also pressure with the community. So anyway, my mother allow me to come and this thing I have to give credit to my mother.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 05:08
How did it feel to become the first woman in your village to graduate from college?
Guest · 05:14
For the first time, it's really pressure for me because I don't want to make my mother first one to feel down on that because my mother expect a lot from me. And then the community watch and keep the eye monitor And so my mother asked me to promise that when I graduate, I have to work for the government official to bring the proud to the family and to protect our own tribe, Tribun, because it's, you know, sometimes to be the hill tribe, we feel that we treat like a third class of population in the countries. I remember one time I went to make the ID, in car with my grandfather. We went very early at the government office, but we get served almost late because they don't call us. Even we sit in front, but they just call someone across our head. So that is something we feel. That is my mother think that one day if I graduate, I have to work for the government. And I promise her, that I will do, but life is changed after I met Elephant, so I break her promise, and that is quite pressure on me.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 06:44
While away at school, you cared for 12 piglets. Can you tell us about those pigs and what that experience taught you about animals and empathy?
Guest · 06:56
Yeah, I didn't know Because I love animals. And then when I walk out from the village, because our village, we don't have school. We have only temple school, but temple school have a lot of limit because, as I tell you, the woman can't go to the temple school. So I walk from a long way, like 14 kilometers to the school, but we can't come school every day because it's for the baby. We had this, that walk we have to say that we run, we run to school. And with our shoe, and as a hill tribe, we get a lot of pressure on that. But, and finally, that is my mother, she afraid that is when the rainy season. You know, we are the tribe, you know, grow up from the jungle. We're not afraid of predators at the jungle, but we're afraid of the water. And as the Hmong tribe, we're not good for swim. So when we have heavy rain and water come from the mountain, that is my mother afraid that is something will cause, will get us dangerous. So my mother tried to find area for us homestay. And then she found the place for homestay, the family who stay next at the school. And then they just said, okay, if these children are ready to work, to help, they will give the room and food, which is kind enough for one family to do that. Then they give the job for 7 Hill Tribe kids. I'm only the female. All the rest all boy, I'm only girl. And they give the job washing clothes, clean the house, go to the market, a lot of job, and look after the animals, look after the pig. I don't know how many pig, but I raise my hand. I just said, "I want to look after the pig." And that's my job. When the next day when I visit the pig and I find out 12 pig, that is I have to raise pond responsible for that time, and I have to clean the shelter. And every day, morning, evening, in the same time that I have to feed them.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 09:32
Lek, thank you. We'll now move on to when you were 16 and that experience that changed your life forever. So the question is, take us back to the day in the jungle, the first time you heard that poor elephant scream. What did you see, hear, and feel?
Guest · 09:53
When the time I went to see the elephant, I never expect that elephant will get abused like that. The elephant that is work for the logging, which is I heard, not in our jungle we have as well, I heard about the screaming when they work at nighttime, but I I wonder why they're screaming. They roar very, very loud because we're not allowed to get out of the house and we don't know what's going on in the jungle. But when I was in the village, suddenly I heard that when I visit the Karen tribe village and I heard the same exact screaming. So I asked the headman and he told me that it's elephants are working now. So I said, "Can I have a look?" That is the time, first time I witnessed the cruelty from the logging industry. So they forced the bull elephant who's so skinny and not healthy to work and pull the giant log, and they jab him, they jab him in the back leg, front leg, and slingshot this boy and also the Mahout who right on the neck, start to squeeze the knife, jab knife on his head and the blood get down and he's screaming, he try hard. And I'm screaming because I want to help him, I want them to stop. And this kind of thing, you know, when I witness all that, I look at his eyes. Every time when he stop, stop it exhausted, I can feel him, I can hear his breath, I can hear his bone moving every time when he try to pull the log up to the steep hill. And when he looked at me, his eye expressed everything, expressed angry, hopeless. He expressed very confusion and frustrated. And that thing is follow me. And when they removed me from there, because I don't want to live there because I cry, and I'm shocked as well, and then, and that eyes Follow me like a shadow, and I want to help them. And that moment, it changed my life. I think human can speak. I want to work for the women's right. I want to work for the human right. But then I feel that the elephant can't speak. They need someone to speak for them. And that moment, my life changed.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 12:34
Amazing story, and thank goodness it was you were there to be the witness. Lek, as a teenager, you earned money as a dishwasher to buy medicine for that injured elephant. What do you remember about caring for him?
Guest · 12:50
Yeah, okay, and you know, this is when I came back, I start to work right away. Even on that time, I still young, but Thailand at that time, we doesn't have Child labor, everyone can work. I work to help my mother since I'm less than 10 years old. So I work to earn money, and when I get the money, so I went back to the jungle and disappear into the jungle, especially during the school holiday. And yes, what I do, that is first I bought the medicine, like external treatment, cream, anti-infection, and it's a lot of medicine. I talk with the vet, the government vet, to ask them suggestion and medicine that clean the wounded to help him. But when the first time I arrive, I think I can't cure it long because when the medicine I take, I thought it can look after this elephant for 1 month, but it's not really because when he have so many wounded around his body and the medicine I carry on, it's just not even 2 days because it's too much to clean, to put that, and the wound, some wound that is go to like inside, internal, because I can smell his breath. His breath is very bad smell. So it is very sad, deep sad in my heart. But during the time, I help to treat him with the Mahout. Then Mahout told me, "Oh, more elephant sick there, more elephant sick in the next village." The more I seek out, the more I went to see, the more of that I saw the suffer. And this my heart is is never deep down to not want to help them. I can't turn my back. I have to go ahead for whatever my dream to help them. Yeah.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 15:07
Like, how do you cope living with that awful memory and with the sound of that elephant screaming? How do you cope living with the stress of that.
Guest · 15:20
Yeah, you know, when I witness the sound of the screaming, horrible emotion in the eyes, that is not even compared to— I have to witness for the reality after I start my journey to help elephants, I have met many worse case. And many terrible suffering. And every day I told myself that I cannot give up and I cannot hopeless on that. I have to find a positive way to live and carry on many, many positive that to carry on my heart and to stand on for that, stand strong for them. And I cannot let that kind of thing to ruin what is my view to help them. If I just said that, "That's it, this come to my heart too much and it's hurt me so much and I can't carry on anymore." In any time when I think like that, my duty on. It's not, you know, when I start to realize about that, the more I see, the more I witness the suffering, I think that I don't work for myself but I work for them. I have to forget about myself and I have to forget about my own convenience, my own happy life, but I will work for them.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 16:52
Lek, in the early days you worked multiple jobs to fund your rescues. What were those early missions like?
Guest · 17:01
For me, when I— everyone work, but for me when I work, I have the goal to work because I want to work to help the others. My grandfather is have When I was with my grandfather, I saw my grandfather look after the people, the villagers. And many people on that time, they doesn't have hospital. My grandfather make the small, like a treatment room at home, 4 room. And then I saw the villagers who came to see him and he treat, and after they left, they don't have He don't get anything, he don't get any money. And as I am a young kid, I ask my grandfather and my mother one day, "Why grandpa have work so hard and wake up in the morning and then I don't see he get anything? What going on? Why he did that?" So my grandfather said, "Happiness. When we see they happy, we lift them out of the pain." and we are happy. And he said this is the true happiness. And that is what is my goal. I want— at that time I want to help a woman, I want to help other people who have the issue. But after I see the animals suffer, I said I will carry on this and I want to help the animals, not just the elephant. And that's why I work hard and I don't say no to any job that is for the decent job and can make money to bring to help the animals. So I work all kind of job, you know. I never just say, "No, I don't want to work this." Anything that can bring the fund to help animals, I will work on that. But must be, you know, more on job that is to bring the money to help animals.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 18:56
Like, how did you go from no land and no money to creating a whole sanctuary for animals?
Guest · 19:05
And I have to tell you that is, I have, you know, the life, the graph of the life sometimes go up and down. You know, we can't expect that will be smooth all the time. But when I start, I work, you know, I have something that unexpected. And then on my journey, I believe a life goddess. Because when we think that is— we think some people, some people maybe we don't see. So I believe that is we have angel around us. People is like in the Buddhist way, they just believe in Lord Buddha. But for me, Lord Buddha in every heart. People, if you do good thing, you can be Buddha, you know. And so that kind of thing that is I have. One day I have a man from Texas walk to me, my friend recommend, after my friend spent time and learn about my work. And I didn't have land and I have a lot, very difficult time. I want to rescue elephant, but during that journey I have a lot of issue. So this man walk in and start to ask me, "Lek, do you need land?" And I hardly believe what I hear. And somehow when he start to help us to possess the land, 50 acres, it mean like during the dark time, someone give me a candle. You know, I promise myself that is when I didn't have land, Bert von Rohmer, the man from Austin, Texas, and his wife, Christine von Rohmer, they came along and offered to help. They gave me a candle. So I want to make this to be a giant, like the sun, to shine to the other animals to make them proud. Whoever helped me on that, you know, and I will never make them feel down, and I want them to proud whatever they make decision to help me. Yes.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 21:16
Did you ever imagine it would grow to this scale?
Guest · 21:20
Never. I just, my dream just only want to help that boy and put him in the backyard and then give him a better life until the day he pass away. But when I come to work like this and I first rescue elephant and then the other one, I want another one. For to have friend, and then I find the other one and other one. And then I never expect that I will have dog, cat, cow, buffalo, horses, monkey, bear. You know, I never thought about the sanctuary will expand this. And the more I work for the animals, the more I voice for them as well, at the same time my road smaller because it's Some country really not happy for me. Some Sulochi don't want me to be there because they don't want me to speak and voice when I see something not correct. Because this is— I want to speak and voice for them. Something that people sometimes they see, they may be happy and they don't see the suffering in front of them. Thank you.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 22:35
So now we're going to go on to part 5, which is the, the challenges and the, the, your, your courage in touching on what you just mentioned before, fighting tradition and industry. Um, your quest to save elephants had obviously had a lot of backlash.
Guest · 22:54
So we'll—
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 22:56
oh yes, and also you're ambushed by gunmen and and your partner tragically was killed. So if we could just go into that part now, and I'll ask you some questions about that. Lek, can you tell us about that time and how you found the strength to continue after such a devastating loss?
Guest · 23:18
Yeah, it's a lot, you know, to work on the journey to help the animals. When I have to speak and talk about against the benefit of the people who lost, who use the animal in the industry of riding, circus, and also the elephant trade, including forced breeding the elephant, it's not easy at all because the money talk, especially I speak in the country where They don't have anymore, we don't have a strong anymore law and animal welfare. So sometimes we not get a really free speed on that. And the journey that is I walk is not smooth. And I get a lot of issue. Sometimes I want to contact with the government. It's not easy. The early time when I want to to move the elephant. It's not easy for me at all because some attitude of the government official who doesn't like me as a conservationist, or there's some government doesn't like NGO. They're not really want to cooperation. So I have to tell you that is sometimes I'm very surprised that I survive until this day because of the the system that make me so difficult. And I get totally, not just only like a social media abuse, but somehow that is I get a lot of issue from the physical and from the people around. And to be honest, I don't even want to look back to my life in the past. When I see the animal get abused and for myself to compare that, I rather that is don't think about that. And when I look at the animal eyes, I just think the animal fear more than me because they can't speak. But for me, I still here today and speak. So that's why I looking more to work for them and I I can't put that poison into my heart and to ruin every of my view.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 25:45
Lek, have you ever felt afraid for your own life?
Guest · 25:49
Yes, absolutely. You know, I tell to all my friends and ordinary people, sometimes I feel until I can't sleep. When I get threatening, when I get, you know, I get a lot of threatening, threatened for my life. And I afraid, yes. And because of, you know, I want to stay longer to work for the animals. But when they did that to me again over and over, and I can't just let this thing to stop my work. I just said, "Okay, I will start to walk further and I don't look back. Whatever will happen will happen." And I just keep carry on my life to work. Day per day and try to save my life. But I won't stop my mouth to speak for animals. And whatever I see, I will expose to let the people know. I have only choice, you know, speak or silent to save my life. But if I silent for my fear, animal cannot get protection.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 26:55
Wow, you have so much courage and compassion. You're amazing. Among the many elephants you've rescued, is there one special elephant story that stands out to you, the one that has really touched your heart?
Guest · 27:11
I have so many that touch my heart, almost all of them, okay? Okay, I have— I give you the latest rescue, like Namtip. I think everyone maybe know her. Namtip is the one I rescue from the street begging. And when the people tell us that they found this elephant really hardly touch the— her trunk is shaking and they think something wrong. So we try for a while until we can rescue her. And Namtip very aggressive when we found her. And she's screaming when she arrive. She not sleep at all. And after I speak to the owner, the previous owner, they told us that Namtip used to travel with him to the pub and bar. Sometimes they pour the beer and whiskey, alcoholic, to her. So, and he suspects that she has the alcoholic. So anyway, that is, he just tells that is, "They suggest that I can give her some whiskey." "No, but I can't do that." But anyway, that is Namcheep from the one who really aggressive and she cannot stay next to the other. And even me, when I walk to her, she try to swing the trunk to me, very angry. And I don't blame her because she take away from the mother since she 2 years old and she stay under the hand of the human and walk every evening. So when she arrive with us, she so skinny and she very sick. And we treat her with love and we start to work hard and try to find out about her situation. And today, Nam Thi turned to be a very beautiful and gentle. She's speaking, she talks to us, and every time when she sees me, she will walk toward and start to put the trunk, seeking and touch my cheek, and just want to tell me that, "Mommy, I love you," you know. And this kind of thing, the beautiful life begins at our park. And she almost give up because her health decline. And that's, you know, that this is— I'm so happy to rescue the girl and bring to our project.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 29:42
Lek, you're known to sometimes sing lullabies to distressed elephants. What response do you get from elephants who you sing to?
Guest · 29:51
Okay, the lullaby, people think that lullaby I mean to sing for elephant, but the fact, I have the story behind that. When I first rescued one elephant who from the circus, she very aggressive and we can't stay in front of her. If the mahouts stay in front of her 20 meters, she will grab the stone, she will throw stone to them. And everyone cannot, and then Billy leads her into the herd. The herd protect her, but she very angry. So somehow that is the idea that I first, I want to win her. I want to, I try to go under other elephant and she try to grab me so many time. And then I read a book about a man in Italy, He plant the tree and then he sing for one tree and another tree he not sing. And he keep doing that and he find that the tree he make a song, sing for him, for that tree is get healthy. I said, "Okay, let's do for elephant." So I start to sing for that girl and then I start to stand and she grab the stone and throw to me. She's still angry to me. I said, "Okay, no problem. I will not give up because I believe that, you know, Music is the universal language. So when I sing for a while and then I find out the other baby elephant falling down and another one falling down and, "Hey, my target with the other elephant." But anyway, not long after that, this elephant falling down and she fall asleep with them. And now everyone love my lullaby, but you know what, lullaby What I can do right now, when I start to lullaby, the elephants sometimes they don't like each other, they come and join the herd. So our herd grow bigger and bigger from my lullaby. And this is, I just said, "Oh, I find another method to make elephant to join and to love one person in the center is they love me." So then when they come along, sometimes they will have a conflict. I will sit there, I just said to them, "Stop, baby. If you fight, I won't sing for you." So then everyone will stand up there and start to listen to me to lullaby them.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 32:20
How wonderful. Lek, after all you've experienced, the struggles and the victories, what keeps you hopeful for animals and particularly elephants in Thailand?
Guest · 32:32
Yeah, I, you know, Today, when we have the new platform, social media, this is the most powerful tool that we have in our hand. I believe that education will make the movement. And if we keep carry on that to educate people, and we can make the change. So many people didn't know, they travel to Thailand and Asia, they looking to have the experience for the elephant riding. So if we, everyone who love animal and care for animals, start to stand up and education, use social media to be the platform to connect to people and ask people that when they travel, they should travel with responsible respect and care to the others. So I think that is the animal, not just only in Thailand, everywhere, will stay peaceful. And if the market outside, like Australia or any country around the world, uh, tourists start to deny that— I don't want to support any industry that use animal to be the part of that and make animal suffer— so I think that the market in Thailand or Indonesia and everywhere will change from that. Because it's if they If they still carry on to use animal to be the part of that, they won't survive because people ignore to go to use that business. So I ask everyone, please, you know, your audience, please help me to voice for the animals. And every time when they travel to see the baby elephant alone, always ask, "Where is the mother?" Don't buy the ticket to hug the baby or to feed the baby milk. Always ask, always ask that where is the mother? Because if you don't ask and you'll be part of that, means you'll be the part of the cruelty that they separate mother and baby elephant to bring to entertain for people. So education will make the change. And like, uh, social media, it should be the platform to help an evolution to bring the animal to stay peaceful.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 34:52
Yes, thank you. And being responsible travelers and choosing to not support cruel industries. Finally, Lek, how can people donate to your organization?
Guest · 35:08
Yeah, we have in Thailand, we have Save Elephant Foundation, and this is that The people can search into the website, World Wide Web, say elephant.org. That you can do also. We have PayPal and we have a system there. And that is what I mean in Australia. Thank you.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 35:35
And your website will be with this podcast, so thank you very much for that. Is there one final message you would like to pass on to the audience?
Guest · 35:47
Yeah, I would like to ask the audience, that is, if you come to Thailand or throughout Asia, please don't use animal to be part of your travel. And don't go to ride elephant, don't go to see elephant circus. If you want to help the people to carry on to look after elephant, visit the ethical. And many ethical, you have to investigation as well, because sometimes they use ethical sanctuary for just only the brand. So you have to careful, careful and check for that. Thank you.
Natalie Stockdale (Host) · 36:24
Yes, thank you. It's very good advice for travelers. Like, it has been such a privilege and honor to have you as a guest on Animals and Us. You are, I really are one of the most courageous human beings I've, and resilient human beings I've ever met. So I wish you very well with your future rescues and with the sanctuary. And I know you're about about to leave right now to go and rescue another elephant. So best wishes, and I'm sending you a big hug from Australia.
Guest · 36:55
Thank you, thank you.
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