Across Australia, powerful stories of resilience, strength, and courage go unheard every day. Golden Threads: Stories of Disability and Resilience is here to change that. Hosted by me, Daniel Doherty, Golden Threads brings you honest and deeply personal conversations that invite you to explore what [music] it means to adapt, persevere, and thrive in a world still learning what inclusion really means. Hi there and welcome to another episode of Ksuki Heroes podcast. I'm your host Dan Dohy and have a wonderful conversation today with Leanne Watson, an amazing amazing woman who has quite a history and quite a story of being just a phenomenal person show host and [music] writer uh but allaround good person and we'll find out why during this conversation. Uh, so let's get right into it. Leanne, how are you today? I'm good, thanks, Dan. Gosh, I I think you might have mixed me up with uh maybe another guest you've got coming up. Oh. Oh, yeah. Exactly. You're exactly right. That's this afternoon's show notes. Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you for that introduction. Yeah. No, excellent. And I those are just that just scratches the surface [music] of the things that you do. I do know that you come on uh with a a really great story but really a phenomenal purpose and that's to shed some light on you know some things in society that I think can use a um a spotlight shown on that and that's the disability inclusion um for for one thing um inclusion in general uh whether it be for [music] yeah disability race gender u so many other things but just being inclusive of people uh but um in the short amount of time we have today in this conversation. Uh let's just jump right into it. Uh where do you want to start in the story? Oh gosh. Well, I suppose I I guess it makes sense, doesn't it, to start at the beginning? Um [music] you know, I guess maybe a bit a bit about why I'm here right now in front of my [music] um in front of my um mouth, my breathing tube, my mouthpiece, which is which is basically air. um uh uh that that I suck in that because I don't have the I don't have much strength at all uh in expelling air or yeah more expelling air and breathing it in then that does it for me that blows my lungs my my it it it it becomes my lung muscles interesting okay yeah so we talked about it I didn't know if it was a giant drinking straw for uh for orange juice or morning mimosas. Well, maybe, you know, I just maybe I just like to get very involved with my uh you know, with my subtifuge, right? [laughter] Yeah. Did you buy that story? We could call it whatever you want. We could call it whatever you want. Um [laughter] the show, but uh No, but yeah. So, that help that helps that helps though. And if you Yeah, if you have to use it during the show and everything, yeah, we'll know why. So, thanks for explaining that. Yeah. So I might stop and yeah I might stop and have a bit of a a bit of a suck sometimes. um uh which doesn't because and that's mainly [music] which you'll find out soon because I have limb girdle musculardrophe uh where my muscles and including now my respiratory [music] muscles are um um disappearing [music] uh basically but as we said well start at the beginning um so the beginning is not very well it's actually I had a a lovely a lovely childhood. Um I kind of see my life in three acts. Uh and I'm 60 now. [music] Um and had a lovely surprise party uh that my daughter um arranged really and my or actually all my daughters, my two daughters-in-law and my um blood daughter. Um and that was beautiful. Uh and um so the first 20 years I guess was uh I I really did have a a great childhood you know a bit of a strict sort of upbringing [music] um not uh religious strict but um but still the same you know the old ' 60s '7s you know getting a belting for you know doing the wrong thing or and and whereabout was that? Was that in Australia? Was it Yeah, just in yeah the um recent suburbs of Melbourne. Okay. Um I grew up in Yeah. yellow brick house, you know, the I'm the eldest of four children. Mom and dad were together till I was about 25, 26, I think they separated. Um, [music] and uh, and they weren't like there was no, you know, no affairs, no heavy drinking, none of that sort of thing. They just weren't right for each other. Mhm. Um, which was pretty evident, you know, when you look back forever. Um and uh so we yeah we spent um [music] you know holidays with uh because mom and dad both work full-time. A lot of our holidays were spent with our grand in Parkdale which is a um a seaside town or um the what do you call it along you know as you're going up from Sandringham from Bayside Bayside sorry. Yeah Bayside town. Um and um uh that was really lovely. Uh um yeah, so we I had a really really good [music] upbringing. No hint of being disabled except I do like to now blame my lack of sporting uh prowess in coordination on uh on that. uh which there might be a grand a grain of truth but um but anyway uh um yeah so there was no hint of that I didn't even know anyone with any disability at all [music] none of us did in our family or anything like that um didn't have any like I really grew up very privileged you know in a lot of ways [music] so then um in late high school we moved to another suburb at the same time my husband moved um my now husband moved down from um [music] Sydney with his family or New South Wales and uh we met in year 11 and we just um became I know an item kind of pretty quickly or like within 6 months or so. That's that's pretty quick I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Or there were some there were some guidelines set at the beginning by me like you know we not only on the weekends not at night we need to study you know and then slowly but surely he wore me down so [laughter] um so that was all fun and games and then we we moved out when we were 19 [music] um and uh so I was pretty independent from that time on didn't end up going to university because it was more imperative that I work then Um so I joined Westpak who had recently merged with the Bank of Wales um and worked there for on and off for the next 9 years [music] in between having our three children uh which I didn't we didn't start having the children. Yeah, we didn't start having the children till I was 25. Um and uh even then there was still no sign really of disability or anything. Gary uh pursued a corporate career and we had a you know [music] quite a explicit agreement that that I you know was quite happy being the [music] um you know he was the bread winner kind of thing and I was very happy um in my [music] maternal role and working part-time and um doing um uh you know sort of with the [music] the kids schools and in the community doing a lot of volunteer work um [music] as you know a lot of us parents do um with a lot of thing and and Gary did too actually. He was a scout leader for a while and um [music] you know went on school camps with the kids and that sort of thing. So he um yeah between us we sort of raised the children in that kind of um sort of um [music] manner uh and remain very close to the rest of our family and extended family who all sort of live around Victoria and then Yeah. So that's partway through the second act. Yeah. Sounds fairly privileged. A a very beautiful life. Yes. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Uh and with Gary's work too, we were able to go away overseas a few times and [music] um and we also went on holidays with the kids, that sort of thing. Uh and then when I was about 35 um my uh things, my body started changing. I started basically it started off that I started losing weight and it was more around my thighs and my hips. And as most women, you sort of go, "Oh, this is all right." Like, I can I'm happy with this. Not sure why it's happening, but but I don't mind. And then uh then I felt like cuz I got c broad shoulders anyway. Um then I felt like I was starting to look like a triangle. So I thought, well, that's not good. Um and uh so I started asking gynecologist and um you know a few other specialist GPS of course both in Sydney cuz we moved to Sydney for a while too [music] and back down to Melbourne um and Melbourne. What's going on? And I kept getting fobbed off all the time like um you know you're by then by at the end of the the sort of um all the questions and everything I was around 40 and they said you know you're 40 your body shape changes you've had three kids your body shape changes go to um go to gym to build up your your muscles like your your bum muscles and your glutes and things. Um, and uh, which when I went and started going to PT, which I found out later on was the worst thing I could have been doing. [music] Um, she said, "I've never had a woman here wanting to build up their, you know, their glutes kind of thing." And, um, although the kind of thing, didn't having a booty. Um, but I think what was it? The Kardashians or [laughter] someone. I don't really follow them, but yeah, absolutely. The Kardashians, maybe JLo, I don't know. Yeah, that's right. Maybe that sort of stuff. I learn that much anyway. But but anyway, um even to the extent one time one GP got me to parade around in front of him in my bra and undies to and he went, "Oh, you look fine to me." Like [music] that that was a pretty demeaning sort of experience that one. Uh that was pretty awful. But anyway, finally I got this lovely um [music] freshly minted uh M GP um that I saw and [music] she took me more seriously and did the right kind of blood tests that uh that indicated that I had a high CK level which is [music] creatin creatine canasis or canise or something uh and that [music] when it's elevated that um uh that indicates it's an enzyme or something I think [music] that indicates um high muscle wastage. So, and like yours would be around I think 100 and mine was [music] 11,000 or something like that. Um, so she said, "I don't think you've got musculardrophe, but it seems to be indicating that." So, I went to the GP within 3 weeks or something. Uh, and the next day the G Oh, sorry, the neurologist. The next day she had me in for a biopsy and um that's how I got diagnosed with limb girdle musculardrophe and I am so I've been clinically diagnosed with that but uh I um I have um I've not been genetically confirmed. Nothing's been genetically confirmed yet. Even despite four different um genetic sequencing and other genetic type tests, they've never been able to pinpoint what I've got exactly. Um but it also seems to be associated with liver cerosis. I've got that now. [music] Um and um which is not alcohol related despite the fact I do enjoy a couple of champagnes. Um uh and [clears throat] just need to add that in because there's a real I really felt like the real guilt when I first got diag but that was many years later. Uh and um uh yeah so they're the sort of and there's a few other you know kind of physical things that have happened. So anyway got diagnosed 42 that's when I reckon my third act started. So that's kind of nearly 20 years ago now. And um then a couple of years into that I started getting becoming disabled. Mhm. I guess that's what I'll call it. Did not like to think of myself as that for quite a few years. Yeah. What what was that what you're probably going to explain, but what was that decline in bodily function like? Um that was uh so when I first got diagnosed so limbal musculardrophe is one of the many types of uh musculardrophies that are out there. Uh and musculardrophe is a neuromuscular disorder like motor neuron disease is and many other things. So LGMD itself has at the moment got over 26 or around 30 subtypes. So mine still hasn't been found as I said to you. Um uh and it basically follows a pattern and even when you know your own subtype [music] each individual's progression and trajectory uh like rate [music] is uh different. Uh basically follows that you um lose uh your um glute muscles um thigh hang on there. Yeah, your glutes are your glutes are your butt, aren't they? And your thigh muscles. Um, and then your hips as well. Uh, and your shoulders, upper arms. Um, it doesn't always go into [music] your respiratory system. So, I held out that that was fine, you know, that maybe it wouldn't. Obviously, it has now. Um, and hard muscles are also affected. Um at the moment I don't know that mine are my heart is I mean um and yeah so my first sort of um so after I was diagnosed thought that's why even after going to PT I would go upstairs to the bedroom and I'd be th like you know how when you exercise you get like really you know um you know zappy and kind of more energy and and more energized and I'd just be dragging myself up the stairs afterwards all the time. Like I never felt fitter. Um, also I had to sort of hold on to things. If I'd crouch down, I'd have to hold on to things to get up again, which I thought, you know, at 40, that's pretty young to Yeah, exactly. That's something twice that age that you would be thinking about. Um, so that made sense then after I was diagnosed. But then I started um uh having I the first real thing was I had to stop wearing high heels because um I couldn't get myself up from chairs very easily with high heels on. I needed all the support of my heels [music] and my toes. Like I kind of needed flat feet to help myself get up. Can't quite explain it really, but probably because you need more your thighs when you're [music] balancing maybe on, you know, on heels or something. Not that they were particularly high, but but just anything even just a little wedge, just a little probably just things that at that time cuz it's progressive that just a little bit of support or a little bit something different is probably maybe all you needed at the time and then a little bit more and then a little bit more. That's what happens. Yeah, that's right. Exactly. So that was the probably the first thing was that and then not being able to get off the toilet seat um even with bare feet. So then bringing in the [music] you know the very basic toilet frame and then seeing that you know having to have that [music] increase each notch you know after every few months. Um, and I used to say uh that like it seemed to cuz I've always been a pretty sort of optimistic I guess person and but but accepting of what life throws at us like we're, you know, we're sort of just organisms really. We we all think we're pretty fantastic individually and, you know, the world can't do without us and all that sort of thing. But in my that's my opinion anyway. [music] Um, so I um have just each time something's happened, I thought that's it. It's not going to get any worse than this. I can make, you know, I can work through this. But then it seemed to be like about 3 months later, there'd be another change. So now 18 years on any slight change now um such as my breathing becoming worse which it is again now [music] um after even after having this for a few months or for a year now um every [music] every slight change is is on top of all the other changes. So it's quite momentous then do you know what I mean? it sort of really makes the the disability much more safe. I've never experienced it. Uh I've never lived through that myself. Um I have experienced other people close to me uh do that. But that whole journey of knowing that something is happening and knowing that the body is declining in a way that's not just normal or natural aging um is I can't imagine the just the psychological effects and the outlook um and just how that affects so many of just everyday life. Um, is that something you're comfortable talking or willing to talk about a little bit as that thought process and the acceptance of that? What's that like? Yeah, definitely. Um, I'm happy to. Um, it's I um I think I'm I think as I said before, I'm sort of I am an optimistic person and I feel like I've been protected from the get- go by not only the way I think that well this is [music] just something else you know I can you know we can work through this like I don't know moving house on your own with three kids in 40° heat like you can, you know, and and things happen. You just go, I can do this. Like we'll we'll have it done in, you know, 48 hours. It's all right. Sure. Um uh you know, I I suppose pragmatism is what I've I've got. So, I've been protected a bit by that, [music] but I've been protected a lot by um my husband [music] and his willingness uh always from the get- go and his philosophy of this has happened to the both of us, not just me. [music] Um so, he's um much better. He's a much better cook than me. And very quickly he very quickly identified that my energy you my energy is best spent on things that I want to be doing that that's going to bring joy to my [music] life not on all those you know like vacuuming the house and you know doing all that sort of thing. So, you know, and and protected by obviously, you know, having a a pretty privileged life where we had the opportunity to, you know, get a cleaner in then, uh, and, you know, do little do little changes to help with [music] that sort of thing. We we got a car that I could get in and out of easier until I couldn't drive a car anymore. Um and uh so I I've been hugely protected by Gary's love and his support and and [music] his devotion really um to me for a long time and it's now it's really [music] quite you know the upper end of all that sort of care that he gives me. Uh I've been protected by uh it's um I've been you know I I my yeah I I've been helped through it all as well by my children even though they were teenagers when when I started you know becoming disabled I wasn't I was still able to drive for the majority of their teenage lives which is good [music] um and was able to take them you know doing their driving lessons, take them, you know, be part of all that with them. So, I've been extremely fortunate extremely that I've been able to parent the way I wanted to for a very long time. Um, and they've been very helpful, the kids, and even now they're they're very good at um uh they'll come down. We now live on the Ballerin Peninsula, which is beautiful. I don't know if you've been down here ever. Um, are you from Yes, you have. Yeah, we now live there which here and we did that for we lived here for a few years in the '90s when our kids were young. Um, and they they all live in Melbourne and they love coming down now. [music] Um, it's a, you know, it's just a nice relaxing little time away for them. Um, and they come and see us quite often, which is lovely. So, [music] um, and my friends, my friends do they now visit me now that it's harder for me to go visit them. Um, so my thought process was not really, um, despair or despondency [music] at the beginning at all. Mhm. It's still never been despair, but it's been a realization as especially now the last couple of years that [music] you know things are, you know, I'm certainly not going to live till 70 [music] um with the cerosis as well and I don't want to either. I just don't want to. So, you know, things are sort of at that pointy end as well um for a lot of things. So, um [music] I don't know whether that's explained any of that or not. Ah, well this the great thing is this isn't a test or this isn't a No, I know we're not looking for specific answers. Just hearing that that thought process and where you're coming through that uh a big part of these conversations of our Kugi heroes and you're one of our heroes and sharing [music] your story is just sharing what you're going through, what you've been through. Um other people will be able to [music] relate to it. uh but also um hopefully you you find some comfort and uh something too in sharing it. Um so the fact that you answered the question the fact that you answered the question is what I was going for whether what the answer was it is what it is but I definitely do and I think um you know I definitely get something out of it for sure. It there is a bit of um catharticism in sharing your story just sort of letting other people know [music] this is what I'm going through. It can be lonely. it can feel lonely sometimes that there's not that many people going through it. But then I also do know from the work I've done now with within [music] my community, the disability community, um which is all of our community of course that um you know that there are a lot of people going through is very similar. Maybe not every single thing I am and me the same with you know with them but you know but but it gives comfort sometimes to know [music] you know or to learn from each other. we all support and learn from each other, I think. And [music] and I think the reason I haven't been there I think loneliness is a big is a is a big issue for a lot of people and and probably maybe it's it could be compounded with disability. Um and that's where I feel lucky too that because of all that support around me, [music] I've never really felt lonely either. That's amaz It is amazing your family that you have around the friends. Uh you have had a privile there's no question about it. You've had a privileged life not necessarily maybe materially but really in relationships and friends [music] and opportunities. So very very privileged um in that sense and that's quite amazing. Uh wow with uh going through that talked about the community of people with disability or the community of disability. [music] You've been on both sides of that now. You were in the side of not really knowing anybody with a disability and then being um having a disability yourself. I'd love to [music] hear more about what's it actually like being a person um and being treated. How are you treated by others? Um, yes, you're clo maybe you're close friends in the family, but just being in the public, being in society, what's it like having a disability? Wow, that's a great question. That's a really good question because [music] there's some days where I hate it. Like I really, you know, and sometimes that's my deciding factor as to whether I want to do something or not or go somewhere cuz I just think, "Oh, everyone's going to be staring again. I'm going to have to get them to like moving go into this restaurant and get you know get people to move chairs so I can get around the table so you [music] know and you know there people are going to ask questions or you know look at me I just want to m you know you just want to be a normal person and or sorry you just want to be accepted on that person is accepted um [music] and uh So sometimes, yeah, I really do hate hate that sort of thing. Um, uh, I have never, until I was in a wheelchair, I was never randomly [music] um, uh, randomly offered a prayer session um, as an ambulance. I don't want I don't I don't want to laugh, but um, I've I've heard of instances. [music] Yeah, that's right. Explain. Can you sh can you share what like what it was like? Well, it was there was two distinct ones I remember. Uh, one lady I was at, um, uh, I was at these beautiful gardens in Yara Valley [music] and just minding my own business with my mother-in-law and a friend and and, uh, this lady in pearls and, you know, all the, you know, all the garb um, who'd obviously led a really wonderful life as well. Probably praise to the Lord for that one. I don't know. and uh and she stopped past me and and said, "Oh, um you're a brave soul. I'm praying for you tonight. I'll I'll pray to the Lord tonight." Said, "Oh, there's no need to, but thanks anyway." And uh and went on my way. And then there was this other guy who looked he looked pretty nice. Kind of looked like he should have been a Santa. [music] But anyway, my husband and I were waiting in the foyer of a hotel um for our taxi. and uh and he came up and he said, "I hope you don't mind, but I just I hope you don't think I'm presumptuous, but but do you mind if I um if we could pray together now or if I can pray for you later on? Um uh if you know, and I was about to say, you know, you don't need my permission. Just go to town if you want to. Um but leave me alone." And uh my husband who gets very [music] he's very black and white with what's right and wrong and he really jumped up straight away and [music] he said you don't need to pray for us you know you know don't you know just don't don't bother it's none of your business and so I guess they sort of mean well but I'd never had it when I was ambulatory [music] and there's many many ambulatory people that probably maybe deserve prayers more than I It is one of those it is a common story that I hear of people that I work with in the disability community who um will have people that [music] come up and just randomly not only it's one thing to even offer or to ask but other ones who just go and [music] presume and start praying or uh it just could it could be kind of intrusive in a way that Yeah. And it just reinforces that we're not accepted that we're not truly a part of the community. It just reinforces our otherness, our [music] difference, I think, which you know, which is pretty confronting or just Yeah, it just I don't know. It just slap in the face a little bit. Yeah, that's one thing. Is there is there another are there other ways that u when you feel like either excluded or just feel different? It might not be like um in the way that you're treated. Look, I've got to say there's heaps of ways I do feel included, but [music] um and it's getting well, I feel like it in a lot of areas it's getting better. [music] Um but another way is the old um oh slow down, you need to get a you know, your learners for that or you know, I hope it doesn't go above 10ks or 5ks or I don't know, there's all these other little comments when I'm very I'm paranoid not to go too fast anyway. So, I never have done that, but it's just and it's normally men. Um, it's always men, actually. And uh, and that's just another way they think they're joking. And one guy, I just rolled my eyes as I wheeled past him. And uh, and then he went, "Oh, you know, someone hasn't got a sense of humor." And uh, and I, well, I think I have got a sense of humor, but it it just another way of reinforcing that um, you know, that difference. and it just gets annoying. Like, come up with something a little bit more clever and maybe I'll laugh at it. And on the flip side, is there anything that you wish they would either say or do differently? Um, and I'll say for from a personal example, um, I grew up around people with disability. And [music] I feel very fortunate for in my own upbringing that we had um [music] you know close family friends that um were non-verbal, used a wheelchair um you know really couldn't communicate with their bodies much at all and were always nice to them was always Yeah. But to include them was really I never really understood how to include them. Um, and I would walk on egg and I would walk on eggshells. And I would say, um, my partner still gives me a hard time. She says, "Dan, when there's somebody different than you, [music] you start talking really slowly and loudly like they can't understand you." They're like, "So, um, that's something in my own life I've been working on, but I would still love to get a lot better. What are some things that people [music] could do in those situations to help you feel more included?" Yeah, I would love to get better, too. I I I keep continuously trying to because the the hardest thing is people that are non-verbal um or just [music] it takes a long, you know, it just takes a longer time to nut out what they're saying. Um it does Yeah, it it can be uncomfortable um to do but to to sort of learn and to understand. Um, a lot of the time people that are really hard to um, I've noticed anyway, [music] hard to communicate with are um, they've normally got someone with them that sort of can help. Anyway, but I think like starting off with just like how would you if this person was walking and or I guess it I guess it can just be in a wheelchair whether they're communicative or not. people just are uncomfortable with someone in a wheelchair [music] and it really comes down to just saying hello or how are you or whatever you would say to someone else. Um [music] anyone who is ambulatory. Um and uh yeah and just be nice to them but be be a bit be a bit aware if you can of um you know they might not be able to move their arms. So maybe and you might have picked that up already of saying do you want me to hand you that fork or something whatever because I would I would like that question. Um and I think the you know they could that way they're given the choice. So saying yes or no. Yeah absolutely. I think those small cho those small choices can be a really big deal u both when they're offered or if it's just taken away. Um I know that's commonly uh common [music] um scenario is just on a wheelchair, especially a manual wheelchair if somebody just comes up and starts pushing. Yeah, that happened to me too. Yeah, even with the best of intentions. Yeah. Well, this one asked as well, um can we help? And we said, no, we've got it. She still went behind me and pushed [laughter] Yeah. Oh my. I know you're not alone in that, but um yeah, but those those stories and those incidences um it's just Yeah, I think you're I think you're and I think your perception or your perspective is really really important because you have seen both. Yes. [music] Yeah. And one of the best one of the best earlier uh um examples I have of um being of um feeling included and just being normalized I guess was I was in my manual chair so Gary was pushing me. We were at Chadston actually the shopping center. Um and we went in for a coffee and Gary sort of pushed me cuz he was pushing me. I was first anyway and she looked straight at me straight away whereas most people look up at whoever you're with when they ask what you want. So, you know, I gave her our order and then she reached over and gave me the change or the card or whatever, you know, because I'd given it to her to begin with. It was all very she did it so naturally and we were so refreshed by that [music] and wondered actually whether she had a personal experience with people with someone with a disability because that's yeah that's exactly how it would be wonderful to be um you know treated all the time. It's very likely that she did cuz you have to learn it from I think you learn it from somewhere [music] to be there some maybe there's some very rare people that are just you know phenomenal and I think they just get it [music] without Yes. there. Yeah. But um there's probably more people like me who have had to experience it and learn over and over and over again [music] how to get better at it. Me too. I feel like my husband is more in tune with that sometimes than I am for sure, like right from the get- go. I think that's in innate in him and he's not had any dealings previously to disability. Um but as I said, I think he's just got that in [music] I don't know. Anyway, I've um I've had to learn it too a lot. Yeah. And we keep we I think we keep learning. Um we keep learning. Yeah, definitely. That's a disability in general. Is there anything about um your what is it? U what are the initials again? Is it tell me the initials? LG L MG. Yeah. LG G MG [music] for limb girdle musculardrophe. Yeah. So all the limbs that girdle you I guess or around your girdle. Um but then you know like that song the knee bones connected to the thigh bone. Yeah. every muscle is connected to the next muscle to the next. So in the end uh like now I'm pretty uh well I guess the word is incapacitated. Um so my shoulder my neck I can't really move my head anymore. Um and um also I didn't realize there's ancillary muscles that that help us all in our neck. They kick in when our lungs [music] are um struggling or when we're yelling or that kind of thing. They're in our neck. Um and they're as tight as anything. Um when you lose like, you know, muscles on your shoulders and things. [music] So that's that, you know, they're impacted with me and other people like me. Um so my upper arm muscles are gone because that's the limb girdle way. So, they impact the forearm and my wrist and my fingers. So, [music] I can't make a fist. I can't lift my arms. Um, yeah. You can't give anybody You can't give anybody the middle finger. You have to find another way. No, I can't. No, I try really hard. I can't even [laughter] can't even raise my hand high enough to show you the difference like how I would do it. No, I can't. That's really upsetting. Um, sure. Yeah. But that's Yeah. lied to. So, same goes for the hips and that sort of thing. Um, it just all impacts. So, [music] my calves are pretty useless, not because the muscles themselves are, but because they're attached to the other muscles that hold me up, the thigh muscles and glutes. What about feeling in the I guess the sensory [music] um component of that? Uh, do you still have feeling and and the nerves? They still work in those [music] appendages. the nerves. Yeah, the nerves aren't generally impacted. Yeah. So, I have feeling everywhere. Um Yeah. So, you know, you kind of get the aches and um it's kind of like a I feel like basically I'm a skeleton with skin over the top. [laughter] It's getting more and more like that. It has that for a visual. Yeah. Um I'm being really candid here, aren't I? No, that's this is excellent. Yeah, you you're bringing it out in me, Dan. [laughter] I don't know if that's a compliment or not. I'll take it as a compliment, but right, I remember talking to this n this 92year-old um priest one time and one of the funniest guys I've ever met. Um he was cracking jokes and he was uh just saying things about life and uh I asked him, I said, "Have you always been this funny?" And he said, "Well, yes, but I always used to keep it in like I used to always try to filter what I said." And then he said last last year I stopped caring. Yes, maybe that's it. Yeah, [laughter] that's a thing. That's a good thing about age I think. Is there any uh is there any aspect that um any avenue or path that you want to go down that we haven't touched on yet? Well, I I wanted to make people aware of you know what LGMD is and what musculardrophe is. [music] Um, which is why I've got my my podcast now, you, me, and muscular drophe, where I'm interviewing people with MD, like solely with muscular distrophy because it's so rare. Um, and so few people know about it. We all know about MS um, and MMD, but you know, very little about MD. So, uh, so we sort of covered that, you know, my version of it, the LGMD. Um but I wanted to talk about I guess also the power of community which is obviously a really big um uh a really big drive for Kinsuki heroes you know why you're in existence and and Ian where Smalland's fantastic initiative right [music] from the right from the go um and just brilliant getting all the different um the different social groups groups to get, you know, the different podcasts, you know, regarding different social uh um what segments um right down to pets and animals and [music] uh you know, that sort of thing with your with those. But the community has we moved down here about six 7 years ago from Melbourne down to the Bellerin Peninsula and I kind of got straight away um we joined I joined a book club with a few other girls around the street. Um so that's been really wonderful and now the last couple of years we meet at my place cuz it's sort of the easiest [music] for me to get into. So that's lovely. And I love entertaining anyway. Although I say I love entertaining. Everyone brings all the food these days. That's the best way to do it, right? Exactly. That's right. You know where the cupboard is. You know where the pantry um so they make their own drinks. Oh, and then I joined um Women with Disabilities Victoria. And that's a great there's two really great um uh not for-p profofit uh organizations that uh that are run by women with disabilities for women with disabilities. One is uh they're both based in Victoria, [music] the ones I know of anyway. The other one's um women women with women with disabilities Australia I think. But that's based in Victoria too. Anyway, the WDV one is the one I belong to. and they were doing a podcast. So, we meet they've got they've got hubs, regional hubs. So, I um have joined have been part of the Bowwin hub uh for a few years, quite a few years now. And um uh they did a um podcast themselves uh for called From the Outskirts where they interviewed uh women with um just you know just going about their lives. but they just happen to have a disability. Uh so that was a really good one. Uh and then I went on the local radio station here [music] to with someone else to uh promo it. Mhm. And the [music] interviewer who was the um also the manager or the second in charge manager asked whether I'd like my own radio spot, weekly radio spot. And I jumped at that chance. [music] So we called it rolling through Wednesdays. So I did that for about a year and I was um interviewing [music] uh I had some fantastic guests. My wonderful support worker and friend uh became a great panelist for me because I can't use my arms. [music] So between us we did the training and um sorted ourselves out. So, I had some really great conversations around disability, had all kinds of different people on um and organizations and that sort of thing. And then my health um I was in bed for 2 months at the beginning of this year. So, I had to give that up and I thought, well, what can I do when I sort of felt better again? So, I thought, well, I could do this from home podcasting. [music] Uh so, I did that while I can still talk. I'll uh I'll do the podcast. [music] So yeah. So um so that's why I want to talk about community if not for you know the those community groups WDV the uh the community mindedness of Loretta Loretta Hart at um the Pulsef uh and her support uh [music] if not for uh you know that so many other people around me uh and around the community you know it just wouldn't be as much fun. life wouldn't be as much fun. And we really need to get out there. Even if we feel [music] kind of dejected and dispirited and all that sort of thing, if you just once just [music] make one phone call, even if you don't feel like doing it, just to reach out to a group that might interest you. Um, [music] I think it's really worth doing regardless of your situation because it's also very surprising just how many people will make changes to accommodate you. Um, and it's not really a big deal at all, as much as you might think it is, which I always used to think it is. That's so well said, uh, Leanne. just uh yeah, I don't even want to try to expand on that at all or anything because it was it was so well said. Are those are some of those things do we have do you have archives of them or they still accessible either the radio spots or the podcasts? Yes, the uh um the radio show. Uh I've got many of the um many of them put up on, not all of them, but many of them on my [music] uh my website, Leanne's Wheel Life. What is the What is the website? Leanne's Wheel wh.com. Yep. Uh, and the podcast now, the current one [music] is on YouTube and Spotify and Apple. And that's um the podcast one you can find it under Leanne's Wheel Life [music] in YouTube uh as well as Yum, Meia, and Muscular Distrophe. Um, and Yum, Muscular Distrophe [music] audio ones. Yeah. So, and then I'm on YouTube as well under Leanne's Will Life. not YouTube, Instagram. Sorry. [music] Yeah, we'll make sure I'll make sure and put notes in uh for those podcasts, the radio spot. [music] Um the different channels that you talked about. That'd be yeah, fantastic to loop [music] uh to loop people in and let them know that it's available. This is a a good way to kind of bring things to a close here. Is there u anything else that we missed? Uh you've shared a lot of good advice, a lot of good experience, talked about community, talked about um you know just how to [music] talk to somebody with a disability, how to be inclusive, um just how to engage them. um talk about life in general. Uh but really really really the just the importance of family, [music] friends, um community coming together, disability, I guess not having a disability is a privilege maybe, but really it's something that disability is going to affect all of us in one way or another [music] all the time um every day. Um so if you're if you think you could avoid it, well, [music] nope. So just think thank thank you for letting us in on that. Yeah, thank you. The only thing I can I mean there are a few things but the other thing I was just thinking [music] is really a community a society as much as there are many people that don't want to [music] think this but we really are I can't remember who who uh who made this phrase but who said this phrase but we are only as strong as our weakest link and [music] if we don't have compassion that's that's um that's that you know, it's just not good for society. Full stop. We're missing out on so many opportunities. Um, you know, we're missing out on including really valuable people in, you know, in our society. Um, but yeah, I think that's kind of just one of the things that sort of always stayed with me. But yeah, there's there's so much, isn't there, to disability and [music] so many wonderful allies and and uh disability advocates out there. It's great to be part [music] of including yourself. So, it's great to be part of the the whole big community. Yeah. Well, thank you for that. Thank you for sharing. Uh but really [music] yes, thank you for uh being willing to be on the podcast to have this conversation and sharing her story. It was yeah, really really a privilege to share in this [music] conversation with you, Leanne. And just remember that uh we're all in this together. We are [music] great. Great. Thanks, Dan. Great meeting you, too. Thank you for listening to this episode of Golden Threads. We hope this story of resilience resonated with you in some way. 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