Jenni Vercoe (R)
Finding Jenny: From Doormat to Nurse at 40
Jenni went back to school at 40 after her marriage ended, and spent 23 years rebuilding a self she thought she'd lost.
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Jenni Vercoe (R)
Jenni went back to school at 40 after her marriage ended, and spent 23 years rebuilding a self she thought she'd lost.
Jenni always wanted to be a nurse, but she didn't think she was smart enough. After 14 years at home raising three boys, her marriage ended and she was 40, unemployed for 22 years, and convinced that door had closed forever. Then she saw an advertisement in the paper for an enrolled nursing course. She applied, got in, and was terrified. A friend pointed out that she had disappeared into the roles of wife and mother, with no identity of her own. Her youngest son called her a doormat and told her she was better than that. Those words cracked something open.
Jenni pushed through the enrolled nursing course, then the registered nursing degree while her father was dying. She kept climbing: a graduate certificate in anaesthetics and recovery, all while working full-time. After 23 years in nursing, she has not only built a career but found the strength and sense of self she thought she had lost. She works in operating theatres at a day surgery and now speaks to women stuck in disempowering relationships or afraid to start over. She tells them what she learned: you have the skills and street smarts you think you lack. Life experience counts for something real.
Jenni's final message is simple. Trust that inner voice inside you. Don't let someone steal your joy. Listen to that small flame, because it will become a roaring fire.
“a girlfriend said to me when I told her that we'd split up she said oh she said now we might see the old Jenny back and I hadn't even realized that I had just disappeared”
“I looked at the criteria and I thought oh I could do that I'm sure I could do that having absolutely zero self-confidence and zero self-esteem”
“trust that inner voice don't let someone steal your joy that is your joy if they're trying to steal your joy it's cuz something's wrong in their heart”
The hero, today
Jenni went into nursing at 40, after 14 years as a stay-at-home mother and having not worked for 22 years, because she saw an advertisement for an enrolled nursing course and realised there was a pathway she'd never known existed. When someone tries to steal your joy about something you want to do, that's their stuff to own, not yours, and Jenni learned this when a nurse responded to her nursing course acceptance with 'Are you mad?' Jenni's youngest son called her a doormat and told her she was better than that, and his directness helped her see what she needed to change. Jenni tells women stuck in disempowering relationships or afraid to start over that they actually do have the skill set and street smarts they think they lack, because life experience counts for something real in any career. Jenni says that spending time alone, by the water or away on her own, helps her make better decisions and clear her head when something is troubling her. Trust the inner voice inside you, don't let someone steal your joy, and listen to that small flame because it will become a roaring fire.
Yes. Jenni Vercoe (R) is a real person who shared their own story in their own words. Kintsugi Heroes is a not-for-profit that shares first-person stories of overcoming adversity, told with the person's consent.
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Jenni went into nursing at 40, after 14 years as a stay-at-home mother and having not worked for 22 years, because she saw an advertisement for an enrolled nursing course and realised there was a pathway she'd never known existed.
When someone tries to steal your joy about something you want to do, that's their stuff to own, not yours, and Jenni learned this when a nurse responded to her nursing course acceptance with 'Are you mad?'
Jenni's youngest son called her a doormat and told her she was better than that, and his directness helped her see what she needed to change.
this limited kugi Heroes podcast series was made possible through grant funding provided by the New South Wales Department of communities and Justice connecting seniors grant program if you'd like to find out more about kugi heroes head to kugi heroes.com [Music] Welcome to Our kugi Heroes special series connecting seniors where we share the experiences of Aging Australians to create connections across our communities in this episode of connecting seniors we're revisiting a conversation from kugi Heroes with a senior who is making an impact on the world or connecting with their Community this week we hear avelyn Clark's chat with Jenny verco I always want to acknowledge the guests that come on to kugi Heroes because it takes bravery and a bit of gumption to to come on and know that your story is being recorded both audio and video and you know it's it's it's a lot and I know that um not everybody feels comfortable doing this it's why only a few actually come forward and yet it's just such a powerful experience and it really does help people so I just want to acknowledge you and thank you for being here yeah thank you you're welcome well this is about you and your story so how about you take me back to where your story begin and then start the story for me um I suppose I had always wanted to be a nurse and but never thought I was never confident about that I didn't think I was smart enough I think oh know they're very big words I don't think I could do any of that and so I never pursued it um it wasn't till I had been a stay-at-home mom for 14 years with my boys which to me is a great privilege and uh I eventually my marriage broke down and um separation divorce that sort of thing and I I did not know I mean to me I thought oh nursing's all in the universities now forget it you've missed the boat and I I thought well I'll keep looking in the paper I'll see something something will come up and jump out at me and it'll be that's what I'll do because I really felt I needed to set a good example to my boys that I wasn't just going to sit on my backside and do nothing and I had to show them that well you know okay you Coop a kick but you got to pick yourself back up and then one day looking in the paper there was an ad for the enrolled nursing course which I was totally oblivious to that and um I looked at it and I looked at the criteria and I thought oh I could do that I'm sure I could do that having absolutely zero self-confidence and zero self-esteem I thought yeah Ro um so I applied got all my paperwork in and I got accepted and that terrified me because I thought it was it was going back to full-time study full-time work I hadn't worked for 22 years or something like that I'd had 14 years of time I there was yeah it it was scary and I actually had some friends that stepped in and and they had an like a an employment type agency and they just ran me through through a few things and said you and I said I've got to do a numeracy and literacy test to I hate maths what am I going to do you know and then no Jenna it'll be fine you know and I surprisingly I got through that and um I actually was accepted and much to my amazement and even when I got through the course I remember going up to one of the lecturers at the graduation and saying how who have thought I'm here and she said well I knew you would be and I was really I didn't so you know and during that it was 12 months during that time there were lots of tears and Tantrums and that wasn't from the kids that was from me that was you know what on Earth possessed me to think I could do this I can't do this this is too hard you know it's affecting the kids um it you know it was it was it was hard work it was a big change it's a big change for them as well to to having mom around all the time to all of a sudden get your own food they Stu in the freezer um get your father daughter to your pizza um you know it was um yeah it was it was hard work and surprisingly I remember the first person I told that I was going to go into nursing that I I I think I'd been accepted or something and this was a person who had been a nurse for a long long time and her her reaction surprised me she instead of encouragement I got oh are you mad what on Earth are you thinking and I was quite shocked because she was the only person in this whole journey that did that and I thought then oh that's a bit that's a strange thing to say to someone like I'm excited about this this is a dream that I thought would never eventuate um and yeah that that was the reaction and I kind of thought well you don't do that to people even if you don't agree with what they're doing or or you don't think they're even going to make it or whatever to me you don't steal their Joy you know that that seemed a bit a bit harsh um so yeah I kind of I got through that and I then went on to do the community nursing course and got the second highest Mark in the course in yourself well and then I thought do I there that was kind of like there was like I was on one side of the river and there were all these other things on the other side of the river that I thought oh wellow I'd love to do that but in the middle was this giant stepping stone that said registered nurse and I thought the only way I can get over there is I've got to do the registered nurses call which was University so there was this big oh you know I don't know if I can do that I'd be you know never ever dream that I'd go to UNI and um so I put in the application and I got in I was accepted and luckily with the university that I went to because I was already an enrolled nurse they dropped the course to two years instead of three so I again two years of a few tantrums and screaming at the computer and crying and and look I think we all go through that and I think it's quite all right to have a pity party yell scream kick whatever get it out of your system and then pick yourself up dust yourself off and go okay I can do this I've been doing it I've got this far I can keep going and my boys I have to say and they were teenagers at the time they were fabulous they really were and you know the couple of friends and that that that were fantastic and so as I got to the end of the registered nurses course um my father was diagnosed with uh cancer with lung cancer and it had already um gone on to other parts of his body so right towards the end of it Dad was dying basically and I think I just I knew that when I become a registered nurse as soon as I tell him I've achieved that I knew he go and he did um about a week later and you know I was dreading telling him but I knew that's what he was hanging on for and that's coming up to the anniversary on the 23rd of December so yeah it um it was a again a hard thing that I had to keep going and I had to keep pushing and you know there was one subject that all of us were struggling with and we all you know said I'll do extra coursework I don't care what it is I said I I'll pick it up because I said I cannot fail this course I have to keep going I got through that I was accepted at the M hospital to do my new grad position I then did my theater course and all these years later I still work in operating theaters at a day surgery and uh in that time a years ago I did my graduate certificate in anesthetics and Recovery as well online God that was hard that that was hard um Mor and Tantrums must just be something with me and computers and um my son I had actually signed up for the grad SE the diploma and the Masters but after and you could jump out of it any time you like like after each section if you if you wanted to and I got to the end of the grad third and my youngest son said to me that's it no more uni for you he just said you're not doing anymore uni Mom that's it he said I can't take it anymore and he was at Uni at the time too thank God because it was the same uni so he knew all the things you know online um yeah so I thoroughly agreed with him and just yeah no no more un for me just not doing that anymore so here I I am coming up to 23 years now and from someone who had zero confident I had zero identity in in all you know when I began because I remember a friend saying to me said I can see Matthew and Dan's mom and I can see Glenn's white he said but where's Jenny and and I I hadn't kind of realized that I had disappeared completely and of course when when my marriage broke up I was totally lost I just no identity no no um not working knowing I had to start all over again um Thanks Jen and I've got a few questions I want to take you back so first of all how long were you married for uh 16 years right so tell me did you have an identity when you got married um apparently um a girlfriend said to me when I told her that we'd split up she said oh she said now we might see the old Jenny back and I hadn't even realized that I had just disappeared so the the marriage breaking down was the Catalyst for you to look inside yourself and say well not only do I need to do something for the sake of setting a good example for my kids but I actually want to do something for me yeah yeah how hard was that very hard when you when your self-esteem when you've been made to feel like you are dumb um and you haven't been encouraged to do anything and what would you know kind of thing um you second guess yourself all the time time and yeah you you just don't have that confidence to to think that you can do it so who told you that you weren't good enough uh the implications from the ex were there because he was a very high ranking police officer and he had University degrees he had a law degree and all this kind of thing and you know you're just a little woman at home um I'll give you a little bit of money every week and do you kind of thing um and yeah my mom wasn't all that encouraging either dad was dad was my rock in a quiet way um but yeah I just didn't didn't have and I think because that that side of things had come from childhood as well that not having confidence to to excel I suppose in anything that that impact haacks you right through life until I guess you wake up all that Bell goes off in your head and you go hang on a minute I can do this so your upbringing through your upbringing did you have memories of either your mom or your dad or society around you giving sending you the message that well you're you're not going to be having a career like a man h and you're not good enough was that what you heard yeah yeah and so you know and I think when I left High School the majority of us left when we were 15 16 fourth form which is now year 10 um and we all went to secretarial school that was it you're going to be a secretary till you find someone to marry and then you'll have kids and you know that your role in life yeah how did that make you you feel at that point when you were 15 16 did you feel like there was something not right about this this pathway or you know was there any messages internally I was a bit oblivious to it I think I I think I kind of thought oh yeah that's what you do you know and I guess CU my mom had stayed at home since she was pregnant with me so everyone around me had all the the women in my life had stayed at home so they really wasn't anything different to me like you know now goodness they've got all the choices in the world they can do whatever they want yeah did you have expectations of what it would feel like to be a wife and a mother yeah um I guess a little bit rose-colored glasses in in a way you know the the tall dark handsome husband and you know lovely you know and I was I was in awe of of my ex I have to say I virtually you know unrealistically and wrong of me to put him on a pedestal because really you shouldn't do that with anybody because you're you're setting them up for a fall and you're setting yourself up for disappointment but yeah things didn't go the way I thought they were going to go he was married to the job and I was married to him so it was kind of like there were two lives there were the life I had with the boys and we did everything together and occasionally he popped into the frame so yeah it was because he was on call 24/7 so it was that kind of thing so you were almost a single parent yeah and and I I think I said that to someone the other day I've basically been single parent on my life so um yeah it's and you have to look I mean the police force if you're married to someone who is dedicated to the job it's the same as any other of those Services jobs any of the military jobs um paramedics that kind of thing is that that's their life you know doctors even you know they all miss important occasions and you have to keep the the thought going that's that's the way it is and you kind of sign up for that but in all honesty I mean I was 21 when I got engaged 22 when I got married I I really had no idea so my fairy tale dreams of what it was going to be like kind of it didn't quite come to the way I thought it would was was it a very quick realization that it was the fairy tale wasn't true or did it take time I think for years for years I mean even even I mean my eldest is now 36 and I remember bringing him home from hospital and putting him in the um the bastet and just sitting there staring at him and Glenn just went oh well I've got to go to UNI now and off he went and I'm like well what what if he wakes up I just thought what what do I do with him I had no idea absolutely zero idea and he and he was gone he was out the door you know I mean even during the 94 bushfires he was off with the bush fires and I'm left with three kids and a a dog or a cat one I had or both one of the two and it was like and next thing we get a thing to evacuate and I'm like hang on so you know I had to be very organized very yeah know so a lot of disasters were left to me did that give you a sense of fulfillment and confidence in your increasing confidence that you were you were actually carrying out a really important role even though you weren't in the workforce but you were actually you know a skilled and an increasingly amazing parent yeah I think I I think I could you know I felt I could handle stuff it wasn't you know I wasn't one of these people that would just sit down and put my head in my hands and go oh no what do I do I could kind of nut things out and I think I got a lot of that from Dad Dad was very that much that sort of person I think things changed two two years before we got we split up my well I lost my brother and I lost him to suicide and and it you know his engagement had broken up and and you know was just a horrible time and I I remember thinking then I'm never going to have my happiness dependent on another person sure they can add to your happiness but I'm not going to have it dependent on another person because look what happened and I thought started to think Ben what would I do if Glenn left how would I cope and I thought you know I'd be okay I would be okay sure you know I sat there for for a little while thinking oh now what do I do because not having a job and being totally dependent on him um but yeah you sort of you know and you do you need time to to think about it and to process it and and nut it out and yes have your tears and and have your feelings of hopelessness but if you've got people little pick you up a bit and and I had the kids you know I hadn't you know I had to I had to be strong for them cuz theyd lost their dad basically you know they just they' not long lost their Uncle who they love dearly and then to have their dad walk out the door so I was dealing with their grief as well um you know but I always kept them connected to their dad I you know stuck his phone numbers on the wall next to the phone and said ring him and time you want to ring him ring him you want to see him ring him and tell him you want to see him so you know there was no angst about the [Music] kids sorry for the interruption this is Ian West Mand the founder of kugi Heroes and thank you for listening to this story from one of our amazing Heroes our mission is for these stories to provide hope and inspiration to people experiencing life challenges and to also educate the broader community on how best to provide support if you would like to help us to continue to produce more Hero Stories and cover more adversity themes we would welcome all donations these can be made via our website kuk heroes.com Au the Donate function is at the bottom of the homepage we' also welcome any feedback you can email me direct using Ian kugi heroes.com now let's get back to the story I'd like to delve into a little bit of the I guess is it the impostor syndrome or is it just the lack of self-confidence that you developed through your adult life and probably from younger years so how hard was it for you then to make that decision that you were going to apply for that course when you saw it in the paper I thought it was I thought I was very daring I thought oh dare I do this and I I sort of I'm a bit if you know if I go for something and I get it it's because I'm meant to get it like if if I'm not meant to get it well it won't happen and so I suppose a part of me thought oh you won't get it don't be ridiculous and yet when I did it was like oh now what do I do you know it was this is this is our totally New World opening up and and it was a totally new world it was yeah did you did you get have to give yourself permission or get permission from somebody else to do it was that part of the process no I I I did it I think when I told Mom and Dad I mean dad was fine dad was always fine um Mom she was surprised she didn't think I'd ever do that she never thought you going to nursing you know this sort of thing so I don't know a judgment or like a she she didn't criticize you for it no no no it was only this one girlfriend who are you mad yeah I thought H I don't think so but yeah maybe I am I don't know you know and funnily enough even when I went to do my um my graduate certificate one of the doctors that I worked with said to me what are you doing that for and I thought well I'm one of your anesthetic nurses wouldn't that be obvious and I just want to know more so I can help you more I don't know and she said oh you should go and do something else totally different you know and I I thought oh that's a bit odd so you will get people you know that are going to be naysayers they're going to be your uh you know I call them Captain bring down that they you know they they're negative about what you want to do and I don't know whether that is a Jealousy on their part or um they don't think you're up to the task or I I don't know I don't know what it is but you just got to ignore it because I think if you want it bad enough then it's your choice go and do it you know I've said to my boys time and time again I'll help you as much as I can but you have to do the hard yard and I my boys are extraordinary young men who have gone through their own battles with different things with injuries and surgeries that you know it could have lost either of them at any time and um and now know one's a a senior audio technician and the other's a paramedic so uh you know I think and and I I've never said a negative thing about what they're doing you know said oh well okay what else can you go and do that will help enhance what you want to do you know so I probably drive them nuts because I keep coming up with things for them to do make it better where does that come from has that come as a result of you doing all of your studies and development of yourself I think so and I think not getting the encouragement I think well I'm going to encourage them did you ever have a desire or a thought during your marriage that you wanted to do something other than just being a mom and a housewife no and that was you know I I suppose that was the shock thing when it did end that you know this this is what I do I'm a mom this is and and even like when the boys were te uh well after um my marriage had broken up there were a lot more boys that I had an input into their growing up because if they had a fight at home they'd end up at my place and I said to the boys I don't want them sleeping in cars I don't want them sleeping in Parks you tell them to come here and I would feed them and and they didn't get off scot-free I would sit them down and say well okay tell me what happened and sometimes I might say well H you might owe your mom an apology on that one you know and and the funny thing was that um we were all at one Boys 21st and I had three Moms come up to me and thank me for looking after their boys I had no idea who these women were I had to call one son over and go who's that and he said oh so show his mom and I'm like oh right okay I had absolutely no idea but I just I wanted them to have a safe haven you know that they knew that they could come and they would get food they would get a bed and they could stay However long but I would also say to them you know you need to think about what you said because that might have been a bit unfair so you know to me that was a mum you know that's that's a mum thing because I suppose going back I was never allowed to stay at other people's houses people weren't allowed to come and stay at our house um and I didn't have that kind of relationship with my mom and you know Dad was an oldfashioned dad you know he went to work he came home he had dinner you know he made the lawn and um and that was about it sort of thing so how how pivotal was uh I guess those events leading up to your ex-husband leaving you including your brother's passing to to help you be ready for the next phase of your life do you feel that they helped you yeah I think looking back yeah at the time um I think you're just treading water and you're just trying to keep your head above water and and not drown in the the sorrow and the anger and the disbelief and all of that stuff um and I think it's not till you look back and you you you think wow actually if that hadn't happened then that wouldn't have happened and and yeah you can sometimes it takes a little bit of time before you see the the benefit of what you have actually been through absolutely tell me about your kids how have they talked to you about the mom that they saw as they got older after you started studying uh versus the mom up until was it you said your youngest was 14 yeah the youngest called me a um a doormat um he said he you know Mom you're better than that you know because I I you know like I said I had no self-esteem he was quite vocal in his his encouragement is a different type of encouragement it's don't be a door match you can do that what are you carrying on about um his brother is much more gentle oh whatever you think Mom you know that kind of thing and now you know they'll come up and give me a hug and and you say thank you for you know thank you for your help and and and that kind of thing so like I get a pat on the head because they're quite tall boys and I'm not yeah and they like to Pat me on the head and don't pat your mother during through through the years since you started your career your nursing career have you met other women who were a similar age still stuck in the disempowered relationship marriage have you seen them you know have you talked with them uh has has there been any kind of ability to transfer your learnings or share with them yeah I've had a couple of instances we talking to to people and just in general conversation they'll say oh yeah I've got my divorce hearing coming up this week and I don't know what I'm going to do and you know and similar a similar vein to what I'd been through and I just said look you can do it and I say I went into nursing when I was 40 you can do it you're or or people that'll say oh I always wanted to be a nurse I wish I'd done that and I go well what's stopping you and they look at you you know and I go what's stopping you I was a single mom and I was 40 like hadn't worked you know I had been at home for 14 years St yeah sure it's going to be hard but I mean even lately we've had some students in at work and one is 55 so she's just starting her nursing career at 55 um uh you know there's been people I've come across that have have had issues with domestic violence and and you know too scared to to leave and and that kind of thing because of this very thing you know what would I do how will I cope um I don't have any skill set I don't you know and I I just say you you actually do you know You' be surprised and I I see with a lot of the older nurses I I think we have more Street smarts we're not um we see things a bit differently so we have a lot to give to any career really um because yeah we just have that life experience I think looking back on the journey Jenny what's been I guess the the biggest gift for for you uh probably myself Finding Me and the strength that I didn't know I had and even you know even things now you know I think well you've been through worse what are you winging about let's get on with it what um what helped you get through the tough times did you have someone friends you know what was it did you have something outside of yourself to help pull you through um I'd say a combination of that the boys a couple of friends um I find I can make better decisions sometimes if I just go and spend some time by myself even just sitting by the water or if I go away from I'm I'm renowned for going on holidays on my own and I have a few girlfriends that go oh I couldn't do that how do you do that and I go I couldn't stand having anyone with me to drive me nuts um I don't want to do what they want to do I want to do what I want to do and I just find that if there's something bothering me or I've got to make a decision or I'm this you know I just if I spend some time away and just sit and think without all the other stuff going going on then yeah I I can usually come to a decision or feel better about something or even feel better about waiting I've even said to the kids sometimes you know they're being troubled about something go down the beach go go for a walk down the beach and it's just something about that the fresh air the water the I I I think it just clears your head a bit and you know I said to one the other day have you thought about meditating don't give me that crap I said no no it's actually very good you never know something might Happ one day and he might turn around and stop that's right that's right um Jenny I love your story I love your strength and your tenacity and everything that you've done to create your life life when life threw you a lemon and a curveball and you know you picked yourself up and found yourself again which is such a rewarding thing and just so heartwarming to see a lot a lot of women I think don't like you've seen especially your generation I see it from I think it's probably similar age to my mom maybe you're a bit younger than my mom and they they were very similar stuck in these in these very traditional marriages and didn't know who they were and you see it too when a partner passes away if if they one has relied on the other they they're lost they're totally lost they don't know what to do you know I saw it with my own mother when my dad passed um she had no idea and she used to go on about I used to be quite a capable person before your father you know and it wasn't that Dad deliberately took it away from her it's just that he was used to organizing and being an organizer and being a you know a supervisor at work and he just got on with it and and I think too when men retire because they've been in those roles they they retire and then they just take over which I know drives a lot of women up the wall um because they tell me they go oh I'm going to kill him if he doesn't we've even got one one nurse who came back to work she said I retired she said but I had to come back back to work she start kill him if I stay with him okay um and she only works you know a couple of hours a week but obviously it's enough so yeah I I think you know sometimes people can be quite lost and it is quite a scary thing to suddenly find yourself on your own at you know but you have got it you have got it inside you you just got to find it and you got to find what what really um my my son hates me saying what's your passion um he he he said oh what a lot of rubbish I said no I said what's something you really really want to do he said I want to be a rock star he said that's never going to happen and well you never know he's trying up um so yeah I I think if it's something that you really want to do you just got to figure out how to do it because I think they they don't like myself when I thought I'd miss the boat with nursing it was this ad in the paper that changed everything you know and and I I I I didn't even realize that there was that level of nursing that there were ens there's like there's a eens RNs you know you go go up the ladder and and I didn't even realize that so you may not even realize that what you want to do there may be another way to get into it than the way that you traditionally thought it was so you know research it look for it find out ask questions y love it um I was actually going to ask you Jenny as my last question which is if there's anyone listening to this who can resonate with any part of your story and being in that that space where they just don't believe in themselves think they're not good enough maybe they're in a a disempowering relationship what would you like to say to them trust that inner voice don't let someone steal your joy that is your joy if they're trying to steal your joy it's cuz something's wrong in their heart or you know in their life or or there's a jealousy or there's a something that they've missed out on somewhere along the line and it's not your fault you know that's that's their stuff let them own it and let them deal with it but you do what you want to do because I just think everyone's here for a reason everyone's got their little part to play and it's like a big puzzle and we all sort of fit in somewhere and you know you could you could end up saving someone's life you could end up speaking to someone that you know is is down and and you you stop them doing something that they'll you know that would possibly regret later or or whatever you know and and I just think just listen to that voice inside really because even if it's just a little tiny tiny tiny Flame ban the flame it'll end up a roaring fire look out I come up with ideas all the time and they're like oh God she's off again I think the boss is ready to put a lock on the door well Jenny I I think your ideas are great and what a beautiful strong empowering message to leave our listeners with thank you so much thank you really enjoyed hearing your story and I love your the example that you're setting and the way that you brought up your boys and just hearing about where they're at and that's beautiful relationship you have with them and everything that you've done it's just more power to you I'm so happy that you found yourself you know yourself you love yourself and you're living your life in the most you know I guess self-loving way yeah thank you so much for that and having the opportunity to do that to say that you're really welcome it's been a pleasure to have you on so thanks thank you thank you for listening to this episode of connecting seniors a consi Heroes special series thank you to Colin Lily for permission to use broken as our theme music for this series if you enjoyed this conversation share the podcast with a friend and let us know by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcasts Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts if you'd like to support kuki Heroes and the stories we share head to kugi heroes.com and follow the instructions to make a tax deductible donation thank you 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Jenni tells women stuck in disempowering relationships or afraid to start over that they actually do have the skill set and street smarts they think they lack, because life experience counts for something real in any career.
This conversation includes a dream she thought had passed, the ad in the paper that changed everything, terrified but pushing through, the nurse who stole her joy, the moment she disappeared and a police officer on a pedestal.
You don't have to be in crisis to call.
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